candidate then donald trump and it was general flynn and it was senator sessions. those two individuals were on the plane, they were going to every rally, every stop, so when you look at the loyalty factor and we all know that president trump is -- he judges loyalty, first and foremost, and mike quinn, or mike flynn, general flynn, certainly has that tie with the president. so i think other people are making something that i don't frankly sign on to. i think he has the full confidence of the president. >> to be clear, you think the loyalty should, for lack of a better word, trump the idea that he potentially lied or misled the vice president of the united states? >> well, i don't accept as a given and again, it's a hypothetical, i think it's clear that he as the national security advisor elect if you will getting ready to come in, had conversations with numerous people as a jump start to his new position. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. it would be expected.